If anyone knows Dutch they can clarify my and google translate's translation of this article:
Cruyff wants Van't Schip appointed
Johan Cruyff, John Van't Schip forward as new coach of Chivas Guadalajara. The 48-year-old coach, which have recently been working relationship with the Melbourne Heart ended, has already had contact with the Mexican club. This I know The Independent on Saturday to report.
Van't Schip and his agent Soren Lerby talk further this week with Chivas, where Johan Cruyff is an adviser. The former assistant to Marco van Basten at Orange should be the successor of the Mexican team coach Ignazio Ambriz, who resigned last Wednesday after the advisory committee of Cruyff said he had at the end of the season would be replaced.
Guadalajara lost the last six matches in a row. The club went 5-0, Tuesday still beaten by Deportivo Quito.
http://www.ajaxfans.net/nieuws/13475/Cruijff+wil+Van+'t+Schip+aanstellen
JVS at Chivas Deportivo Guadalajara
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Posted 21 April 2012 - 10:39 PM
Not bad being linked, and having a decent chance due to Cruyff, of coaching Mexico's most successful club.
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Posted 21 April 2012 - 11:09 PM
isn't the main reason JVS didn't re-sign for next season is because he wanted to go back to Holland to be closer to his family?
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Posted 21 April 2012 - 11:21 PM
isn't the main reason JVS didn't re-sign for next season is because he wanted to go back to Holland to be closer to his family?
that may have been what he said, but he wanted to coach back in Europe, and/or at a higher standard.
however he would be closer to his family, so he did have a point.
apparently only his son was in Australia and the rest of his family was back in Holland.
didnt realize JvS was held in such high regard in Europe.
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Posted 22 April 2012 - 09:21 AM
Appointment appears to be confirmed.
http://www.theroar.c...-giants-chivas/
So much for returning to Europe to be closer to his family.
http://www.theroar.c...-giants-chivas/
So much for returning to Europe to be closer to his family.
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Posted 22 April 2012 - 10:04 AM
So much for returning to Europe to be closer to his family.
Nobody actually believed that did they?
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Posted 22 April 2012 - 10:08 AM
I'm not afraid to admit that I bought it. FOAD JVS.Nobody actually believed that did they?
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Posted 22 April 2012 - 12:45 PM
That really disappoints me. Mexico? Really JVS?
Well it may be a bigger club, but it ain't home or Europe like you said.
Oh well, we move on. The club is bigger than any individual.
Well it may be a bigger club, but it ain't home or Europe like you said.
Oh well, we move on. The club is bigger than any individual.
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Posted 22 April 2012 - 01:16 PM
At least he left on good terms. Maybe a not shit Mexican LW, CB or CF on loan next season?
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Posted 22 April 2012 - 02:58 PM
pffft. Good luck to the bloke. He's moved on and so have we. No ill-will here.
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Posted 22 April 2012 - 04:21 PM
Good luck on your coaching goals in 2013 and beyond,
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Posted 22 April 2012 - 07:04 PM
pffft. Good luck to the bloke. He's moved on and so have we. No ill-will here.
exactly he fulfilled the requirements of his contract, it didnt seem to be working so he didnt sign an extension and so the club and him move on. he didnt have a go at the club when leaving he did nothing wrong.
good luck in the future for him.
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Posted 22 April 2012 - 09:03 PM
Absolutely good luck to him. Like any player he has ambitions to ply his trade at the highest level. A successful stint at Chivas could be a step towards coaching in the European top flight, which I'm sure is what he wants.
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Posted 22 April 2012 - 09:10 PM
Also good luck on your not being killed in the civil war going on in Mexico currently goals in 2013 and beyond.
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Posted 22 April 2012 - 11:28 PM
Hopefully he can send us the next Chicharito on loan for the season
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Posted 22 April 2012 - 11:39 PM
A fine example of 'it's not what you know, it's who you know'.
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 03:02 AM
TBF I'd do anything Cruyff told me to do as well.
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 08:07 AM
ITS OFFICIAL!
FORMER Melbourne Heart coach John van't Schip has been named coach of Mexican club Guadalajara Chivas.
FORMER Melbourne Heart coach John van't Schip has been named coach of Mexican club Guadalajara Chivas.
In Aussie terms this is a dogs act! So much for wanting to go home to be with his family.
From experience Mexico will kill him if he does not perform. Chivas are a good club, but if you do not show results right away the fans will want him out. JVS is a development coach, not a top flight coach required to get results straight away.
Mexico and Australia are worlds apart. The move baffles me completely. Part of me now wishes' he fails.
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 08:39 AM
Good luck to the fella, maybe he will buy a few players from us...
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 08:58 AM
HOW FUCKING DARE HE. HE WAS OUR FIRST EVER MANAGER, AND I PERSONALLY WAS EXPECTING HIM TO STICK AROUND IN THIS WONDERFUL AND INTERNATIONALLY SIGNIFICANT LEAGUE FOR THE REST OF HIS CAREER. I CAN'T BELIEVE HE WOULD 'DOG' US LIKE THIS, AND HAVE AMBITIONS TO IMPROVE HIMSELF.
Seriously guys, we're nothing, and I never thought he would stick around for long at all. I don't understand how this is unfair on us, nor why we should suddenly hate the guy who set up our club with a passion.
Go become something big JvS, atleast then we can say we were a significant stepping stone for you on your path to glory.
Seriously guys, we're nothing, and I never thought he would stick around for long at all. I don't understand how this is unfair on us, nor why we should suddenly hate the guy who set up our club with a passion.
Go become something big JvS, atleast then we can say we were a significant stepping stone for you on your path to glory.
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 09:50 AM
Good luck to the fella, maybe he will buy a few players from us...
Chivas Guadalajara only sign players of Mexican heritage
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 10:09 AM
You make it sound like he was too good for us...HOW FUCKING DARE HE. HE WAS OUR FIRST EVER MANAGER, AND I PERSONALLY WAS EXPECTING HIM TO STICK AROUND IN THIS WONDERFUL AND INTERNATIONALLY SIGNIFICANT LEAGUE FOR THE REST OF HIS CAREER. I CAN'T BELIEVE HE WOULD 'DOG' US LIKE THIS, AND HAVE AMBITIONS TO IMPROVE HIMSELF.
Seriously guys, we're nothing, and I never thought he would stick around for long at all. I don't understand how this is unfair on us, nor why we should suddenly hate the guy who set up our club with a passion.
Go become something big JvS, atleast then we can say we were a significant stepping stone for you on your path to glory.
If he was too good for us he should of at least taken us into the second week of finals in both his Seasons as manager.
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 11:03 AM
Rutger Worm signs 5 year contract with Chivas Guadalajara.
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 02:02 PM
You make it sound like he was too good for us...
If he was too good for us he should of at least taken us into the second week of finals in both his Seasons as manager.
Lol, wasn't my point, but I see how you thought that.
I was actually amazed that he's making a step up, if he can't perform here, where can he perform? I hold the same opinion as you, its just that I find it funny that people feel he has betrayed us by moving to another club, he was never going to stick around for long, and had no obligation to.
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 03:04 PM
I'm not sure that people feel betrayed...more let down by him trotting out the 'get me back to Europe for family reasons' line as at least one of the reasons he was quitting...and then going to Mexico of all places...I for one would rather hear the truth right from the start.I was actually amazed that he's making a step up, if he can't perform here, where can he perform? I hold the same opinion as you, its just that I find it funny that people feel he has betrayed us by moving to another club, he was never going to stick around for long, and had no obligation to.
IMO in the longer term no-one will care a stuff about the JvS era at Heart. Our results under him were less than mediocre. ATM we hear a lot about the 'JvS legacy' at the club, but with so many player departures, a new coach imminent, and possibly some back-room changes as well, 2012-13 has all the feel of a fresh start from square one.
I hope for his sake that JvS does well in Mexico, because his CV certainly needs something positive.
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 07:48 PM
I'm not sure that people feel betrayed...more let down by him trotting out the 'get me back to Europe for family reasons' line as at least one of the reasons he was quitting...and then going to Mexico of all places...I for one would rather hear the truth right from the start.
IMO in the longer term no-one will care a stuff about the JvS era at Heart. Our results under him were less than mediocre. ATM we hear a lot about the 'JvS legacy' at the club, but with so many player departures, a new coach imminent, and possibly some back-room changes as well, 2012-13 has all the feel of a fresh start from square one.
I hope for his sake that JvS does well in Mexico, because his CV certainly needs something positive.
Sorry, but you've complained about his record, his decision to leave, and about his reasons for leaving. At different times. you've criticized not only what he's done, but also the fact that he's not here doing it still!
I for one would prefer he stayed because I think he brought some good qualities to the role. Nevertheless, his record is mixed and certainly up for debate.
But it serves no purpose to denigrate the people who have been here working to build the club. He's done nothing wrong in leaving. And if he used the family excuse instead of coming out and saying that the A League isn't important enough for his career prospects, well it's probably a case of good manners rather than being deceitful. In any case, what difference does it make?
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 08:10 PM
The guy announced he was leaving just before the last Derby so the whole world (Including his own players) that he was available for hire elsewhere...Sorry, but you've complained about his record, his decision to leave, and about his reasons for leaving. At different times. you've criticized not only what he's done, but also the fact that he's not here doing it still!
I for one would prefer he stayed because I think he brought some good qualities to the role. Nevertheless, his record is mixed and certainly up for debate.
But it serves no purpose to denigrate the people who have been here working to build the club. He's done nothing wrong in leaving. And if he used the family excuse instead of coming out and saying that the A League isn't important enough for his career prospects, well it's probably a case of good manners rather than being deceitful. In any case, what difference does it make?
So now that fact that his excuse was a lie, IMO does leave an extra sting.
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 08:19 PM
He noted that he was leaving due to family reasons, then more or less promptly signed with a Mexican club.
To be that's not being polite, that's pissing on our back and telling us it's raining, or what ever analogy you want. His excuse doesn't wash now, the image of a club is bigger than one man. A 'JvS legacy'? Wank wank wank...
To be that's not being polite, that's pissing on our back and telling us it's raining, or what ever analogy you want. His excuse doesn't wash now, the image of a club is bigger than one man. A 'JvS legacy'? Wank wank wank...
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 08:23 PM
I think the issue here is that he was the one who was supposed to create the culture of the club which would set us apart from all the other clubs that have come and gone throughout the domestic game in the past 20 or so years. But instead of getting the upstanding commitment to the future of the game- which was the reasoning behind him being paid three times more than the top paid coach in the league, he ended up doing a sub-par job then making some half assed excuse for not finishing what he started as he slowly started creeping towards the exits.
"gee, you've been great and I have had a really fun time but I got to get up for a meeting really early tomorrow. I will call you though..."
"gee, you've been great and I have had a really fun time but I got to get up for a meeting really early tomorrow. I will call you though..."
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